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 Post subject: Re: Episode 23 Community Discussion: Class Restrictions
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2010, 13:16 
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The fact that every twi'lek you find in SWTOR is a Smuggler is just so... wrong. One of the most powerful attributes of Star Wars Galaxies is the idea that you could be of any race, and you could literally become anything you wanted to be.

This has not been confirmed. Twi'leks can be Smugglers. However, BioWare has not once stated that they are only Smugglers. More race/class combos are coming. It would not surprise me to see Twi'lek Jedi and Sith, as well as a Twi'lek Bounty Hunter. However, I don't foresee a Trooper or an Agent.

Twi'leks are always used as slaves in Star Wars, so it would not surprise me if they showed up as Sith Inquisitors. As we know that the SI starts his/her story as a slave.

Twi'leks have some very famous Jedi, like Ayala Secura. So, it wouldn't surprise me to see them there.

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 Post subject: Re: Episode 23 Community Discussion: Class Restrictions
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2010, 15:22 
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You're looking at it backwards though. It has been reported on many sites that class is selected first, and then your race as part of your classes "backstory". It is very much "smugglers can be twi'leks" and very much not "twi'leks can be smugglers".

I'm hoping Bioware changes their mind, my girlfriend is very excited to play a Twi'lek Jedi and I was hoping to play a Bothan, Twi'Lek or Mon Cal of whichever class I decide on.

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 Post subject: Re: Episode 23 Community Discussion: Class Restrictions
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2010, 15:48 
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rljohn wrote:
You're looking at it backwards though. It has been reported on many sites that class is selected first, and then your race as part of your classes "backstory". It is very much "smugglers can be twi'leks" and very much not "twi'leks can be smugglers".

I'm hoping Bioware changes their mind, my girlfriend is very excited to play a Twi'lek Jedi and I was hoping to play a Bothan, Twi'Lek or Mon Cal of whichever class I decide on.


But again, BioWare has never stated that Twi'Leks can ONLY be Smugglers. It's just been the only example we've been given so far. They've said countless times that just because certain races have been announced for certain classes does not mean they can only be those classes.

Knowing the fact that almost everybody wants a Twi'Lek SOMETHING, I highly expect there to be many more Twi'Lek classes :P

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 Post subject: Re: Episode 23 Community Discussion: Class Restrictions
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2010, 16:08 
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rljohn wrote:
You're looking at it backwards though. It has been reported on many sites that class is selected first, and then your race as part of your classes "backstory". It is very much "smugglers can be twi'leks" and very much not "twi'leks can be smugglers".


Right Class then Species because every class will have their own selection of species. However, as Limess has stated, BioWare has stated numerous times that some species will be available to numerous classes. Looks what they've done so far.

Human - All
Twi'lek - Smuggler
Miraluka - Jedi Knight
Mirialan - Jedi Consular
??????? - Trooper
Zabrak - Sith Inquisitor
Sith Pureblood - Sith Warrior
Rattataki - Bounty Hunter
Chiss - Imperial Agent

Because each class has their own stable of species, they are announcing one for each first, that way every class gets to know something. Troopers of course are getting the shaft being the last ones. Let's take a look at a few of these species though and what other classes might be available to them. Keep in mind that BioWare likes to go with Iconic images.

Zabrak - Who is the most famous Zabrak in the EU outside of Darth Maul? Bao-Dur from KOTOR 2. Expect a Zabrak Trooper

Rattataki - The only image many people have of the Rattatai is that of Asaji Ventriss. Ventriss was a fallen Padawan scooped up by Dooku after her master died and she gave into hate. Expect this species to be playable by Sith Warrior and Jedi Knight as Ventriss is famous for her dual sabers.

Twi'lek - See previous post. I believe Twi'leks will be open to Smuggler, Bounty Hunter and at least 1 Jedi and 1 Sith Class.

Mirialans - I know of three Mirialans, 2 (Luminara Unduli and Bariss Ofee) would be considered Consulars (got that one covered) the other is Hylo Visz from the timeline videos. Expect a Mirialan Smuggler. In Fatal Alliance the Agent was a near-human. While not a Mirialan. Part of the story dealt with how he was an outcast even as an agent of the Empire for not being fully human. It's easy to see a Mirialan in a similar position as an Agent.

Miraluka - These force sensitive people have historically been followers of the light. However, after the mass murder of so many of their people on the colony world of Katarr, it's easy to imagine them as a Sith (see Visas Marr, KOTOR 2)

Sith Pureblood - For obvious reasons, I see this species restricted to the Sith Classes

Chiss - For sentimental lore reasons (Thrawn) I see this species being one of the few one class species. To be a Chiss, you're gonna need to be an Agent.

That's my 2 credits on the species so far. Of course, I've been wrong before. Take if for what you will. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Episode 23 Community Discussion: Class Restrictions
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2010, 16:50 
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Race restrictions really wouldn't bother me. I am rolling a human IA that thinks humans are greater than alien races! A pure Imperial I am!


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 Post subject: Re: Episode 23 Community Discussion: Class Restrictions
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2010, 16:58 
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Xavier wrote:
Zabrak - Who is the most famous Zabrak in the EU outside of Darth Maul? Bao-Dur from KOTOR 2. Expect a Zabrak Trooper


I agree with absolutely everything you wrote, except I'm a little iffy on this one. Bao-Dur was actually a Tech Specialist. The Imperial Agent and Smuggler have been confirmed to use gadgets and experimental weaponry, so I'm going to assume that Zabraks can be Imperial Agents, and possibly Smugglers.

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 Post subject: Re: Episode 23 Community Discussion: Class Restrictions
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2010, 17:07 
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Savich wrote:
Race restrictions really wouldn't bother me. I am rolling a human IA that thinks humans are greater than alien races! A pure Imperial I am!
Palpatine would be proud. You know, if he was born yet. ;)

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Zabrak - Who is the most famous Zabrak in the EU outside of Darth Maul? Bao-Dur from KOTOR 2. Expect a Zabrak Trooper


I agree with absolutely everything you wrote, except I'm a little iffy on this one. Bao-Dur was actually a Tech Specialist. The Imperial Agent and Smuggler have been confirmed to use gadgets and experimental weaponry, so I'm going to assume that Zabraks can be Imperial Agents, and possibly Smugglers.


I can certainly see where you're coming from Limess and I'm tempted to agree with you. However, I don't know how well KOTOR 1 + 2's game mechanics will translate into TOR. Remember how Bao-Dur always addressed the Exile as the General? Well, when I was in the Navy, I had a lot of Army buddies. They used to have a saying. "I'm a soldier first." It didn't matter what there MOS (Job) was they could be; MI, MP, Medic, Infantry, Armored, or Airborne, they were a soldier first. I always got the same feeling from Bao-Dur, he was a Soldier first. In that way, I thought his story would fit better with the Trooper.

That's not to say you're wrong, as indeed I'm tempted to say you might be right. I just don't envision him as a Smuggler. But hey, that's just me. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Episode 23 Community Discussion: Class Restrictions
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2010, 17:41 
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Oh hey, I NEVER said Bao-Dur was a smuggler! :P I'm saying that because of the fact that Bao-Dur was technically considered a Tech Specialist and that IA's are confirmed to use gadgets that it's a plausible idea that Zabrak's could be IA's, or Smugglers.

I do agree with you that if you had to call Bao-Dur something off the top of your head, soldier comes to mind :P

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 Post subject: Re: Episode 23 Community Discussion: Class Restrictions
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2010, 18:07 
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I dont mind having race restrictions as long as theres no silly added bonuses to make 1 better than the others. i.e Jedi better than there Sith counter parts.

Also if MT's make it into the game, I'm sure BW with use this as a way to unlock different races, that you could not get to through the normal game selection.


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 Post subject: Re: Episode 23 Community Discussion: Class Restrictions
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From what we know about character creation, that is to say, very little, I'm not quite sure what to make of this. I don't think that we'll be choosing our class before choosing our race, but that would be an interesting thing to do seeing how it wouldn't be possible to set your heart on a race only to find there's nothing you wanna play class wise. I think it's fairly obvious that some races aren't going to be suited for some classes, or factions for that matter; much like WoW (the only real thing we have to compare MMOs to).

From what BioWare says when they describe the races they've revealed, how a Zabrak is a Sith Inquisitor or a Miraluka is a Jedi Knight, I think they just said that as a way of describing the racials perhaps; what that race would be suited for. Or just as filler to help describe the race, because whether one liked the prequel trilogy or not, Darth Maul was the Zabrak we can all recognize and, apparently, he was a Sith inquisitor. BioWare has also said that they want us to make our own star wars adventure (or something to that affect), so I don't think they're gonna restrict us without a reasonable amount of lore to back up their restriction.

I think it would be awesome if we had no class restrictions and just have them hand us some races and classes and say "GO!". Race-to-faction restrictions are almost a given so I wouldn't get my hopes up on that one.


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